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Lee:
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Lee:
Welcome to another episode of Agency Life. And today we have the man, the myth, the legend, Davinder. How are you today?
Davinder:
I’m doing good. That was heavy, loaded introduction.
Lee:
That was pretty good, wasn’t it? You are now under an immense amount of pressure to live up to this amazing introduction.
Davinder:
Yeah, I’ll try.
Lee:
No worries. It’s 11 o’clock for you at 6:30 in the morning for me, so you’ll excuse me sipping coffee, but are you ready to rock and roll?
Davinder:
Sure.
Lee:
All right then, let’s find out about your agency. And the first thing is tell us the name of your agency and what.
Davinder:
It is you guys do. Well, it’s iGuiding creative. The URL is iGuiding.com. i’m sure a lot of people don’t know about it because I don’t actually push it forward because most of us who work on client websites don’t care about our own websites. So that’s the story.
Lee:
And you just build websites for clients. So what else do you do?
Davinder:
Well, when I started I used to build like most of the work I did was for direct clients that wanted websites. But for last four or five years I have pivoted and I provide more white label services to agencies because I found my comfort level there because client communication is something that I don’t like doing. So here, working with agencies is like my sweet spot. I get the regular work and I get to do my favourite thing, which is designing and developing. So I do take direct lines as of now, but major work is now agency white label.
Lee:
The funny thing is those agencies are still your clients, so you’re actually doing client work. You said you don’t like Working with clients. The good thing though about agencies, because we do the same, as you’re aware, is that obviously agencies understand what it is that we’re doing and they really appreciate what we’re doing. Where sometimes the end client has no concept about how hard or how valuable the work that you’re doing for them is and they sometimes treat you in that way as well. We found that an awful lot. It’s been a very uncomfortable experience. So working with agencies for us has been wonderful experience. I think you already alluded to this, but if we’re going to have a birthday party, we’re going to get everyone together for a big celebration. When would we be celebrating your birthday and how old is your agency?
Davinder:
Well, right after Christmas, I think the 27th of December. So it would six years in, sixth year in progress.
Lee:
So happy birthday.
Davinder:
Thank you.
Lee:
No worries. Okay. How many people do you have in your team?
Davinder:
Well, it’s just me, but I do have subcontractors and because I knew, I know a lot of people who are specialised in certain things. So when I know that this project needs that kind of work, I directly go to that person and subcontract it. Because even though I can do those kind of things, but I’ll take, say I’ll take two hours to do that thing and that person will take 15 minutes. So it makes more sense to subcontract.
Lee:
Absolutely. I’ve taken to doing the exact same thing, especially for things like JavaScript because I try and like to think I know JavaScript but I’m completely rubbish. Absolutely. I was to do it and I know a guy who can just do it like that.
Davinder:
We are in the same line.
Lee:
Oh, it’s okay then. Anything else is fine. But put JavaScript in front of me and I’m googling, I’m on Stack Overflow, whatever it’s called, you know the answer website and I’m just like, oh, this is crazy, I need to do.
Davinder:
And it still doesn’t work.
Lee:
Exactly. Or it works but it’s really slow or something random happens. So anyway, so do you guys have. Do you have an office like at home, so your virtual setup or do you have an office that you travel to?
Davinder:
I have a home office. I have a separate room in the house because I don’t need a physical office because my clients are not here in India, they are all over the world, mostly in US and Australia. So having a physical office doesn’t make much sense. I will be wasting time just travelling. So a separate cosy room, this one in the House no one disturbs is my best place to work.
Lee:
And as you’re building your agency, as you creating the relationships with the contractors, et cetera, do you have any sort of culture that you’re trying to adopt?
Davinder:
I think the main thing, when you talk to people, not just your clients, but also to people who you may work in future, I think you need to be real, be practical, and more importantly, be human. You got to respect the other person. He may not know what you know, but he would know what you would know. So you got to respect. And on more profound level, I am little careful about quality control and project deadlines, so I try to, you know, vet people as for on those parameters, because for me, quality comes first. And meeting deadlines is also very important. So these two important factors, plus, you know, mutual respect for each other, I think these are very important for our team culture. Because you can’t. Obviously, everyone makes mistakes. Your team member would make mistake, I would make mistake. Clients make mistakes. Subcontractors make mistakes. But. But then you got to move ahead, I think, see the positive side of things. So, yeah, things do work fine.
Lee:
I think I’ll hold my hand up to making at least three mistakes a week.
Davinder:
Again, you are not alone. I don’t know about three, but I don’t know.
Lee:
I made that number up. That was probably a mistake making that number up. But no, I know I screwed something up. At least once a week, I’ll screw something up. And so whenever I’m then talking with the rest of the team, I’m like, oh, just remember yesterday, I screw up as well. So none of us are perfect. But let’s work on this. In fact, just quick story aside, that Larissa who works with me, she’s one of those people that when she makes mistakes, she’ll go quiet for, like, two or three hours as well, because she’ll get really cross with herself that she made that mistake. And I’ll be like, it’s fine, it’s fine. Just think of this now and channel that into not doing that again and doing something different. But she’ll get really, really cross with herself because she hates making mistakes. Shout out to Larissa. All right, then. So your company, your mission, have you evolved a particular niche, a particular industry that you work in over the last six years? Six years?
Davinder:
Well, when I was working just with my own direct lines, I used to work just on small business websites and blogging websites, because at that time, blogging websites were like, equal kind of a business as compared to brochure niche website. Nowadays it’s more of small business websites and depending on the agency I’m working, because certain agency, like one agency, only did membership websites for women entrepreneurs. So that became my specialisation because I had those projects coming every month. So other agency that I’m working with now have only small business, you know, clients like accountants, lawyers, these kind of websites. So my niche, I don’t have specific niche, it changes according to the, you know, agency clients.
Lee:
Well, you do have a niche. It is the design agencies. You are a developer or a web builder. Web designer for design agencies. And I was wondering within that whether, I guess whether it is whether you’re doing the design element predominantly for them or whether you’re predominantly doing development for them as well, or a mixture of both.
Davinder:
Nowadays, for all the agencies that I work, I do both design and development from start to finish because things have changed now. Like earlier, like if you rewind four or five years ago, the designing was done in Photoshop, then mock up was made ready and then sent to the client for approval. Now at that time, in certain agencies, I used to work only as a developer where I was provided the design, while for some I only worked as a designer, like you can call it an ironical situation. But now the designing part have changed. Now I design in browser, so Photoshop has gone out of the window. So I design in the browser, take a screenshot, send it for approval once it’s done. You know, Beaver Builder does the magic.
Lee:
Yeah, I knew you were going to mention Beaver Builder at some point. I was just waiting for it. Yeah, we had a conversation a couple of episodes ago as well. I think. Actually, no, the episode is not out yet. Spoiler alert. And we were talking about another company as well now who predominantly builds, they use Elementor and they’re predominantly designing and building inside of the browser now because it is so freaking easy. It’s the same effort to lay a website out in Beaver Builder as it is to lay the website out in Photoshop, which is phenomenal. And then obviously there’s all the other code you can create around it. If you need to create workflows and logic, that’s all cool, but it has taken a whole load of time out of the process for a lot of people. I love that. So what do you feel as a business, the main problem is that you’re solving for your clients, for your agency clients?
Davinder:
I think presenting the right message of the client and his business on his website in a most professional layout that you can make. I make sure that the design I create for the client website is easy for digestion by the website visitors so that they can take the next step, which is, which is resulting into a conversion for the client. Because that’s the real motive for making a website. So even a brochure website, the real motive is to show the contact information about information so that someone who lands on the website gives a call to them or fills up their landing contact form. So you got to make your design should solve a problem of making the visitor, you know, quick make a quick contact for the person for whom the business is representing that website.
Lee:
So you’re helping your clients, the people who get websites from you get the outcomes they need from those websites. That is the click on the contact, but the fill in of a form, somebody giving them a call, etc. Which are very, very common.
Davinder:
And also inputs on the website copy because a lot of people ignore that part. So if I’m designing as I only start designing when a client gives me a copy of the real copy, I don’t do the design with Lorem Ipsum that those days are gone. Because. Because when you have the real content, the design is actually more better and relevant to what the person is trying to convict convey. So if the copy has a problem, I let them know and I’ll refer them to some copywriter who, which falls in their budget because people, because small business clients, they do have this problem. They would spend $5,000 on design, on development, but they wouldn’t spend even thousand dollars on a copywriter. So you got to drill this thing in their head, you know, you, because Google, you got to tell them, Google will see your words, not your, not the design I’m creating. So there’s a little learning part. Some understand, some don’t. But then that’s okay.
Lee:
No, I completely agree. I have good copy. If you go to many websites, especially ones that we built in the past a few years ago, and you type in Lorem into the search of WordPress, you might accidentally find the odd page that still has Lorem because clients have not yet got around to replacing the Lorem Ipsum, but they still wanted to go live. And we were like, Guy’s crazy. Come on, let’s get the real content in there before we push it live. No, no, no. We’ll go back, Philip.
Davinder:
We will.
Lee:
And I’m sure there’s still some Lorem Ipsum out there. I massively agree. That’s actually kind of like a. I mean back in the days of print, it was really important that we had all of the words in advance. So we knew what the word counts were, et cetera, so that we could lay out the page and we knew what it was going to look like, because if someone added a paragraph, that could change the entire page. And then I think when the web happened and the fact that it can change and it’s fluid, et cetera, then as designers, a lot of us were like, oh, well, we’ll just fill it in with Lorem Ipsum. But I do agree with you. I think it’s really, really important to treat these webpages as the final product, as something that is going to look right. It’s something that you can then test for a few weeks, not keep changing it, test it for a few weeks, and then evolve it if you have to, as opposed to, you know, just creating pretty spaces and saying, all right, fill that blank space and that blank space. So I’m really inspired by that.
Lee:
Thanks for sharing. Shall we start, Karen?
Davinder:
Yeah. And this is also very important now because earlier the designs were like one column, restricted column, put dump any type of content in it, you’re done. But now you have like two columns, three columns, full width, flex width. There’s so many things you can play around. And I make sure that I split the copy into different, you know, small layouts so that every section catches your attention on the copy, not on the image or not on the graphic element. Because those are just accessories.
Lee:
Right. And easy to consume as well. So that’s good.
Davinder:
Yeah.
Lee:
All right, marketing, how are you generating your leads?
Davinder:
Well, if I talk my start early days, like six, seven years ago, I slogged it out really hard on sites like Freelancer, Upwork, Work, Elance, which is now like Odesk, and. But I made sure that I didn’t use those platform to get more work, but I used that platform to build relationships and to take that work outside those websites. Because in my initial years, after my initial years when I started working with web agencies, most of the web agencies actually made first contact with me on those websites. So that was amazing. But I made sure this was just one jumping step. And I. I think it’s been four or five years. I’m not even logged into that account because I never felt the need for it. Fortunately, now I have a big network, so there’s very less drought, drought times for me. And since I work with a lot of agencies now, I work with like multiple agencies at a given time. So there’s always work to be done and different type of work to be done. So the interest factor is also there that I don’t get bored of it. And plus my newer it, you know, endeavours of making courses has also helped me in getting that visibility.
Davinder:
And the next step, which is I’ve just launched my podcast, should help further, I guess.
Lee:
Absolutely. And there will be a link to Davinda’s podcast in the show notes, so be sure to cheque that one out. You’re a legend, mate. You’re absolutely everywhere, especially on Facebook. So I’ll very often be in Facebook and either someone will be mentioning you or you will be in that as well. And I’m assuming Facebook and our shared online network has been a great source as well of leads for you as well.
Davinder:
Yeah.
Lee:
Awesome. So it’s up to you how you answer this question. The question is, how do you measure success? But that could be in the business, that could be in your personal life. Feel free to answer it in any way you wish.
Davinder:
Well, satisfaction and feeling proud of the delivered work, that’s the key things. Because seriously, I have fun every day doing the work I do. So. But on a serious note, I do keep an eye on the money flow. So you can mix all these factors. Satisfaction, money, you know, feeling proud, feeling like, show off, like, I did this. It’s a combination of all these things because you do get, you do feel good when someone validates you and says, oh, man, you did it right. You did an amazing job. So I guess we all live for that.
Lee:
Basically, we pretend we don’t, but we do. Yeah, Whenever someone writes in and says something nice about the podcast, I’ll float for the rest of the day. That’s hilarious. All right, confession time then. Okay, it’s just me and you, a few thousand listeners around the world and we all promise to keep your secret, but what do you feel the biggest problem that you have at the moment is in your agency?
Davinder:
Well, not just agencies, but not just my agency, but my overall, you know, online work profile in life, I think too many ideas, too little time. Like I’ve been in that, you know, I’ve been busy with client projects, agency project for quite a while and if you go to my agency website, it looks a little outdated. Even though I have already made the new branding design, it is sitting on our dev server. It’s just for one last. For one last year. One last year I didn’t get time to, you know, update my own website. So too many ideas, too little time. For last two years, I’ve been trying to, you know, fix that problem by focusing one thing at a time. Because to be honest, I Don’t want to do, you know, client work or agency work for 100% of my time. I want to split my times, you know, doing other things like making courses, podcasts and you know, making few digital products. So I try to manage, you know, and split my time into these things. And not just time, I also want to split my revenue, you know, streams between them. Because if you are, to be, to be brutally honest, if you are just relying on some one agency or few bunch of clients, that’s not a right way or a secure way.
Davinder:
You got to have a multiple different or a different stream of revenue. So my. I think I’m 30%, I’m at 30% if you consider my revenue stream from non agency work or non website work, which is. Which include courses, affiliate sales and all that stuff. But I want to up it like 250% because that’s my real goal. So trying to do that. I managed to launch four courses in last two years and now I have a podcast in the mix. I have few interesting ideas to implement, so I’m organising this year. So my podcast website will not be just podcast website, it will be my main hub for all the content that I create. So watch out for new things in probably in January.
Lee:
So that’s where you’re building up the personal brand. And bear in mind that Angled Crown’s current website that we have is a very quick. We need to update this. Basically we built a site maybe two or three years ago based off a brand board when we did a new rebrand and that was only ever meant to be there for a few weeks and ended up being live for two years. So eventually I said, well we’ve got to just do something and learn some of the lessons. So we very quickly in Beaver Builder put something else together to replace the old site. So we’ve really got like a three page website and a little blog section going on on Angle Crown. But it still does the job. That’s the problem, isn’t it? I think it’s a common issue where we’re more often working on other people’s websites or other people’s things or we’ve got new ideas that we want to pursue and it means that we can’t get the time to do some of those other important things with regards to the revenue streams. I’m really excited to see how the courses go, how the podcast goes as well.
Lee:
And there’s a phrase here in the UK and I think in the US as well, not to put your eggs in like too many eggs into one basket because obviously if you drop the basket, all the eggs will crack. So spreading out and trying to find multiple channels of income is a really, really wise move. So if you’re watching, if you’re listening, then, you know, be sure to see how can you diversify your income streams as well as an entrepreneur and as a business. Because if the big client switches off or a range of clients don’t pass any work anymore. For example, 2008 there was a massive crash of the economy and quite a lot of company budgets were slashed. Therefore investing in or new websites were cut. Now I know a lot of agencies, including our own, that really, really struggled because there was just this cut off of business. So having other revenue streams is such a good move and really helpful. Right. You confessed earlier as well that you really love doing what you’re doing, you love building the websites, etc. It’s your passion. It doesn’t necessarily feel like a job to you because you get really excited by it.
Lee:
So how do you switch off?
Davinder:
Okay, so, so when, so, so when you say switch off or actually switch off, because when I’m not working, I turn off my Internet for those hours. So whether it’s my afternoon nap or my night sleep, no Internet on my phone, no WI fi, I get no messages, no pings me, whatever happens. Because for this precise reason I stopped taking clients on, you know, monthly maintenance because it was a big headache for me. Because when you’re working alone and a side goes down in some part of the world and that person message you and you are like either you’re sleeping or you’re doing something else. So I switch off completely when I’m not working. And I have a very strict schedule. Like I work for this hour. I don’t, I don’t work for more than three or four hours at a stretch. So I have fixed blocks of time from Monday to Friday that I work Saturdays and Sundays I don’t work much to be honest. But even if I work, it’s just like during the afternoon or little morning time, that’s about it. And as far as leisure time, you know, as we’re switching off in terms of being, you know, leisure and doing things that you like.
Davinder:
I love watching animal programmes on National Geographic. So that is even though my wife doesn’t like it. But so, and other very important way to, you know, switch off is my four year old daughter.
Lee:
Yeah.
Davinder:
So that’s the healthiest distraction I have in my life.
Lee:
My daughter’s got into Minecraft over the last few years. So that’s one of the ways I’ve been switching off is going into Minecraft but I’m still looking at a screen. I think turning off the Internet, that kind of scares me. I think I may have an Internet addiction. No, you’re a better man than me.
Davinder:
No, I’ve been doing that for last four or five years now and it’s been really good because I really turn off, you know, 3G or 4G Internet on my mobile. I only do that when I go out within home. It’s just the WI FI network. So I just need to turn off the WI fi. That’s about it.
Lee:
Yeah, yeah, maybe I’m gonna try that. And I’ve heard a lot of, a lot of people, a lot of articles as well about turning off your phone at night and not having it near you, etc, maybe having it in another room on charge rather than next to you.
Davinder:
I have phone next to me on the side table, but it’s like facing down so I don’t, I can’t see who is messaging me. The only thing that it will be would be the morning alarm and usually I wake up like five minutes before the alarm. So my clock, biological clock is also set up like now.
Lee:
That’s funny that I set my alarm this morning just in case I overslept for this. But yeah, I woke up. I always seem to wake up just a few minutes before my alarm as if my body is just somehow knows the time. It’s very strange. How do you stay healthy then? We, I mean we sit at a computer a lot but obviously you’ve said you go out at weekends, etc. And is it through food, diet or exercise or do you even manage to stay healthy?
Davinder:
Yeah, lately I’ve been focusing more on the health aspect. Getting old. Right.
Lee:
So yeah, you’re 25 now, right?
Davinder:
No, just a bit of tax. You’re short. I’m 36. I actually made as me.
Lee:
I knew that we’re both 36, we’re twins.
Davinder:
I just turned 36 two days back. So it’s just fresh, fresh into 36.
Lee:
Sorry, carry on. So how does the old man stay healthy?
Davinder:
Well, I walk a lot, to be honest, from Monday to Friday, in the evening, six to seven, I’m walking. I make sure I walk at least five kilometres in a day during that one hour. And I have my earphones in my, in my ear and I’m listening to one podcast episode which is one hour long. So I walk in the garden, I listen to things that I want to listen. Sometimes it’s your podcast that I’m listening. So that’s the Monday to Friday routine because it’s very important that you go out, walk or do some kind of physical activity because we sit a lot on chair so that does take toll on your back. And I also try to eat healthy and keep my weight under control. I tend to put on weight very quickly so I make sure that no, no or I wouldn’t say no sweet stuff. But I try to, you know, keep it for junk food for weekend Saturdays and Sunday, Saturday Sundays I don’t have any strict schedule, so it depends on my kid, where she wants to go because she has her off. So Monday to Friday I have a strict work as well as non work schedule.
Davinder:
So that this is, this is the only thing. I’m not a gym person. I used to go to the gym but this is not. Gym is not something that fits into my profile as of now. So walking and running. I also run during that time, like for 30 minutes, 35 minutes I’ll walk then last 10, 20 minutes. It’s like running, you know, get full sweaty.
Lee:
Yeah, I we’re a member of the gym and Larissa has to convince me to go. She was like, well, when are we going again? Then I’m like. And then I’ll have rubbish excuses as to why we’re not going.
Davinder:
Jim is just like Appsumo deals. You buy it and don’t use it.
Lee:
Yes, I think I use about 30%. I made that statistic up of any appsumo purchase. I just bought one the other day and I’ve logged into it once and I’ve no idea what it is. So I’ve got like 20 days before I have to hit the refund button or work out how to use it. It’s that fear of missing out, isn’t it? Buy this just in case. It’s awesome and going to change my life. Although one product did. But how you got onto this show was through Book Like a Boss, which has been phenomenal and that was an appsumo deal for me. So obviously never paid for it since. And it’s been running all of the booking and the scheduling for both my business meetings and for this show as well.
Davinder:
And I bought the similar product from Appsumo, which is Bookify Book of yes. So I did set it up, but I have not used it till now.
Lee:
Book Like a Boss Mate’s the best. In fact, Nikhil Kligman, who is one of the founders of it, was on the podcast many episodes ago. So if anyone wants to go and listen to that episode and find out how that all started as well as the good that he’s doing with regards to he was designing T shirts, et cetera and raising money for charity. It’s a brilliant episode. I think that was like 50 or 60 episodes ago and it was one of those that really impacted me. So definitely recommend people go ahead and listen to that. I’ll try and remember because I’m very forgetful to put that one in the show notes. We are on the last question mate.
Davinder:
And you’ve got it.
Lee:
It’s very strict. You are a very strict guy with regards to your routine. So I’m very pleased about that. That means you’re going to stick to one tool hopefully that you believe has been instrumental in your success and why?
Davinder:
Well, when I started it was Genesis Framework but now Genesis is dead and buried and it has been replaced by Beaver Suit. So Beaver Theme, Beaver Plugin and Beaver Themer. That’s the best combo to build any type of website, at least for me during this time because even though I do have few clients on running on Genesis even today and it’s not given me any problem. But, but if you, if you talk about or the current client requirements type of websites, they want little, you know, more feature rich. Vivo makes it more easy. So for me now it’s Vivo Builder plus all the other Beaver products. But earlier it was only Genesis because all the development was done using custom Genesis themes.
Lee:
Yeah, I agree with Beaver Theme especially. And there’s been an add on for pods because we’ve got a lot of pods based sites as well.
Davinder:
I love it.
Lee:
Yeah, pods is amazing. We’ve been able to. There’s a Beaver theme add on for pods which we’ve activated and for this new project that we’re working on we’re having to create these really complicated data sheets and I was like oh my gosh, these are going to take us hours. And then I thought wait a minute, we can do this in Beaver Thema. It’s just you do it for the single and then we lay it all out and we’ve created these templates to make all the tables and everything. So these big really long fact sheets, they’re like 32 pages long, they’re massive. And then we’re literally dragging everything in and just laying it out and it looks phenomenal. And it’s all done in Beaver Thema without any HTML, without PHP for all of the relevant calls. None of it. It’s just made it so easy. So folks, I’ll put A link to Beaver Builder in the show notes as well.
Davinder:
Yeah, Beaver Theme is amazing. It’s just a lot of people don’t know what it does but I’m actually going to make a course on it. Actually I’m already started recording it but I’m not going to do it, you know the real way as of now because they are going to update Beaver Theme in few weeks with a lot of new conditional options. Good.
Lee:
I think it’s hard to dis to a non developer to describe what Beaver Theme does is actually very hard. I mean you can say to people oh it puts a header and footer in but I just mean much to you.
Davinder:
I can tell you what what it does. Like you already have Beaver Builder installed, right? And you instal Beaver Themer. Hey, I installed Viva Theme. What the hell did it do? I just have one blank screen. That’s about it. But it’s very powerful. It’s just people need to be educated. It does have a learning curve just like Genesis. Genesis doesn’t get into head of lot of people. Why? Because it has a quite a big learning curve. Same goes for even Beaver Builder has a more learning curve if you compare it with other page builders. But then Beaver Builder gives you better return in the long run because it doesn’t break when you update. Either be a Builder or WordPress and other page builders, I won’t name them but they do break. So the time I’m saving on not fixing things that have not broken is equivalent. Even though we are paying almost double the price of second number two, number three, number four. I’m happy to pay that price for the, you know, satisfaction I guess we’re.
Lee:
On the agency package and we happily pay that every single year. For Beaver Builder it has broken once for us on an update and that was when they introduced the. When you know, the inline editing and they introduced the inline editing and it caused a whole load of issues. But thankfully that was on a staging site anyway. And the brilliant team at Beaver Builder I think they fixed it within 24 hours. So there was another increment really quickly straight behind that to resolve any of those issues. And it wasn’t necessarily a site breakage, it was more of a user interface. So the client was struggling to use and to actually be able to save things. I think, I think it was something along those lines at the time. But that’s pretty much once that I can remember in three or four years now of being a Beaver Builder member. So phenomenal product. And I’m with you there. We’re living on Beaver Builder. It’s been awesome chatting with you. I really, really enjoyed it. Quite inspired to maybe introduce that hour walk. I think I can do that because I have plenty of spare time either in a morning or in an evening that I could do that.
Lee:
I keep saying I’m going to go for a walk and then I don’t. And I’ve said it on this podcast, so maybe you could hold me accountable. I can say, haley, how’s it going?
Davinder:
I actually do that for a couple of people. You know, I messaged Todd every morning. I don’t know if you know him. Todd Jones. I always like, it’s like evening for me, like 5:15, 5:30 in the evening. And it’s like morning for him. He’s having his coffee. And I said, okay, how are you doing today? Help. Okay, you booked or not? Because he also has certain health issues and all that. So. So it’s, it’s good because he also, he will also ask me like, did you go for a walk? I said, I’m just going in five minutes. I just said hello to you.
Lee:
Well, Mike Oliver emailed me the other day, is another member of the community and a good friend of mine, and he was saying that perhaps there should be some sort of online fitness log slash accountability or something for all of us guys and gals in the agency circles. Because like you said earlier, we’re sitting in our chairs most of the time and some of us, you know, there’ll be long hours, there’ll be the temptation to snack and all of that sort of stuff. And like you, I put weight on like this. Like, I’m like that all the time. It’s just one day I’ll look in the mirror, I’ll be like, no. And then starve myself for a week. So it would be great if maybe there’s a gap in the market. Anyone listening? Anyone watching? Okay.
Davinder:
My secret, secret inspiration for me to get up and walk is to listen to podcasts. Earlier I used to listen to podcasts, was sitting on my desk and, you know, working. But now I’m, I’ve made this rule, no listening to any podcast when I’m working on my desk. Only listen to podcasts while, while I’m walking or I’m running. So just when I see my iPhone with a, you know, notification, okay, this podcast episodes is there and it’s kind of interesting. So I need to go to walk.
Lee:
Go for a walk. Well, that’s where everyone. That’s your new rule. So everyone listening to the agency trailblazer podcast are going to be the fittest people in the world because we do three podcasts a week, so that’s three walks everyone’s going to go on as of now because Davinda said so. Mate, thanks so much for your time. Have a wonderful day and we’ll speak to you real soon.
Davinder:
Good day.
