Umbrella Digital Media – #AgencyLife

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Lee Matthew Jackson:
Welcome to the Agency Trailblazer Podcast. This is an Agency Life episode coming to you every Wednesday Friday, where we interview an agency owner from around the world asking them the same questions because we’re all different, but we’re all the same. So let’s listen and learn from each other. This podcast is brought to you by the agency trailblazer community. Is agency life stressing you out? Then it is our mission to help you build an agency that you love. We’ve created a community which includes the agency reset roadmap that will allow you to get your agency back on the right track. We also have lots of noble straight to the point, easy to consume workshops. We have a thriving community of other agency owners.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
And we all wrap up every month with a mastermind call with myself and sometimes a special guest where we unpack your questions. For more details, check out agency trailblazer.com. Welcome to another episode of Agency Life. And on today’s show, we have Imogen Allen and a few chickens apparently in the background. How are you, Imogen?

Imogen Allen:
I’m very good. Morning. Welcome. Yes. I’m very good. Yes. We do have a few chickens, around. The door is open because it’s so hot.

Imogen Allen:
And, yes, this is me, Imogen Allen.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Imogen Allen. And just, if you weren’t aware, she lives out in the sticks with a few chickens and a family as well. And you’ll need to listen to her full episode of which we will link in the show notes when Imogen joined us a few months ago. And that was a cool episode. Ain’t good? Yeah.

Imogen Allen:
It was fun. It was fun. Yeah.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Awesome. Well, without further ado or any spoilers, shall we dive right in?

Imogen Allen:
Let’s do.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Let’s do this. Alright. So, Imogen, tell us the name of your agency and what it is you do.

Imogen Allen:
Okay. My agency is called Umbrella Digital Media, and I help small businesses with Tech Over 1, basically, but with a new nice new niche of, being an online technical partner Yeah. For online course creators. Uh-huh. So this is a quite a new development. Although I’ve been working with people for quite a few people getting their online courses, and so that’s developed into a a service niche rather than a client type niche.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
I like it.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. So I’m I’m really looking forward to getting together some really good content and getting that out there and and sharing lots of good advice.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Well, that’s good. Well, if we were going to get a birthday cake with some party hats and party poppers and have a bit of a party, when is your agency’s birthday party?

Imogen Allen:
Okay. Well, this is the 2nd morph of my agency. So as I am now, I’m just over a year old at May 2017. Woo hoo. And woo hoo. And I started this very, very amazing journey back in December 2015, but, with a huge Don’t

Lee Matthew Jackson:
forget to listen to that whole podcast. We will make sure we link to it in the show notes because it’s a great one. Absolutely. Alright. Let’s go into your setup then. You are a new agency, very similar to Kyle. He’s quite a new agency as well. So what’s the team setup at the moment?

Imogen Allen:
The team setup is just like Kyle, it’s me. Yeah. And I have been reaching out to different people and learning from them about services and things that they offer and always in the back of my mind perhaps how I might be able to work with them in

Lee Matthew Jackson:
the future. So So you’re at that point of developing partnerships with people?

Imogen Allen:
Yes. Because I want to be able to add on services to clients, and there’s definitely areas I don’t particularly want to explore. And, you know, I’d rather have an expert come in and and work with them.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Yeah. Before we go on the next question, I would just echo that how important it is to not do things that you don’t like or not good at. And I think I shared with everyone, didn’t I, inside of the agency trailblazer community of how I was trying to develop apps until 3 AM in the morning for ridiculous prices, and I was crying. It’s really not worth it. So I I agree with you wholeheartedly. So, if you’re interested in a partnership with Imogen, there’ll be details at the end of the show on how to connect. Right. Office wise, we’ve already learned that a few of your coworkers are chickens.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
So can you just describe your office setup for us and also if you work elsewhere at times as well?

Imogen Allen:
Okay. I I solely work at home.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Okay.

Imogen Allen:
I have a a a dedicated area in the house, where I work. It’s actually an old porch way Yeah. Which is great. And I so I have that space. I don’t have a physical door, which is something that I would like to have so that I can have that, go leaving work away Yeah. And that physical barrier. So, yeah, just me. I don’t do co working space because part of the reason I set up was to be around at home and available.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. And the family stuff. So, yeah. And I absolutely love it, but I do get out virtually a lot. I also do do kinda live networking as well. So very conscious of keeping that balance.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Yeah. Now as you’re growing your partnerships, your contractors, and potentially your virtual team as well, what sort of culture are you looking to establish?

Imogen Allen:
I think for me, I I want I want people that are like minded. I think you have to it’s a bit like with clients as well. It’s really important to work with people that show your core values and what what you believe in and how you think things should roll out. And also that I think when you work for yourself, it is different because you have a passion and that’s why it’s sometimes hard to switch off. Yeah. Whereas perhaps if you’re working for somebody else in a kind of regular 9 to 5 type of role, it’s ultimately yes, you want to do a good job, but it’s not your business So there is a slightly different feel to that and I think you do get that naturally with other freelancers because they’re doing it for the same reasons that you are so it definitely like mindedness and being good communicators and just talking things through. Communication is key. Yeah.

Imogen Allen:
People start assuming things if you don’t have those discussions and conversations and make sure everyone’s okay and on the same page.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Yeah. Communication, transparency, I like it. And the fact that you are looking to partner with people, and and we do the same. We’ve partnered with quite a few people in the past because they are business owners. It be they freelancers or be they other agencies. We’ve all got skin in the game as it were. This is our business. We have to pay our bills.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Whereas when you do have a a a team, we have 15 employees at one point in our in our other agency that I was a part of. You know, many of those people are just turning up waiting for their lunch break to happen and then waiting for the end of the day and all saying TGI Friday on their social media on Friday. So it’s like, oh, really? I’m gonna I’m gonna stay here until midnight.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And you can’t you can’t expect when it when people are in the mood on that basis, you you you can’t install the fire, unfortunately.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Well, let’s talk about your mission. You gave some of your niche away, which is fascinating. It sounds like a new niche. So, the question is normally, do you work in a particular industry or niche? I’m gonna rephrase the question because you’ve said it’s all around online courses. Could you just tell us how you’ve how you’ve started to pivot in that direction?

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. It’s, it’s been a bit of a journey to be to be honest as it always is. And, probably, it’s taken about 8 months to get to this point. And sometimes, you know, the the question is do you niche or not? And I I I think that the answer is personal, to be honest. But I really wanted to hone in on something because I think it’s easy to deliver a message. Yeah. And especially when you’re doing content with someone, it’s kind of if it’s too wide, it’s too hard. So I’m looking at people that I help, what kinds of people are they and although there is a common thread with who they are predominantly women over 40, all in helpful industries helping other people and what what kept coming back to me is that they are all trying to to get their teaching online.

Imogen Allen:
One of the things I love to do is to learn. So and love to help people. So it it kind of all started to come into this pot. It was really a trickle and it took forever. There was a bit of a eureka moment at one point thinking this this is gonna be it. So so I’m looking to help people, help other people, and reach more people with whatever they’re teaching. Yeah. There’s a lot to explore in that kind of teaching element, and I don’t really necessarily wanna go after a niche of an

Lee Matthew Jackson:
industry. So so like you said earlier, it’s a productized niche. You found you found something that you can help people. And within that, like you said, you’re exploring it. There are tons of different avenues within it as well as in there. You know, there’s the course there there are courses. There’s memberships. There’s so much to unpack from that.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Yeah. So if you could, think of, kind of what the of this niche, of the people that you’re dealing with, and we’ll say productized niche, what do you think the biggest problem is that you solve for people?

Imogen Allen:
Overwhelm. Undoubtedly, overwhelm. They they are really good at what they do.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Uh-huh.

Imogen Allen:
They really know their stuff. They really know what they wanna teach other people to be able to do. But they they they they they look at how to try and solve how they’re gonna deliver that, and they they just get stuck. They get really stuck. And when you say, well, do you know what? Just take it all away from you. And they so they have so so the relief the the overwhelm becomes relief. Yeah. And they just feel really happy that they can just carry on and do what they’re doing.

Imogen Allen:
And all of a sudden, they haven’t got this this burden. But that that’s a continual thread that I think the people that I’ve worked with since I’ve been doing this, they just feel the relief. So that’s kind of the problem I solve is the overwhelm turning that into relief, and then they can get on and do other other stuff. It’s you know what it’s like yourself. If you got something that you’re really not very good at doing

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Yeah. You

Imogen Allen:
don’t like doing it, and you don’t really know what to do, it just stops you. You get

Lee Matthew Jackson:
It’s horrible.

Imogen Allen:
Analysis paralysis. Yeah.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Absolutely.

Imogen Allen:
So that’s what I that’s what I like to solve for people.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
It it’s funny as well because I find a lot of people who do teach also feel that they should be trying to do all of this themselves as well, putting together membership sites. So you are there saying, I’m gonna take all of that off your plate. Do what you do best, and let me do what I do best. Absolutely.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. And there’s other things that they, you know, they the content they will have, but they also need to be aware of other things on how it’s delivered and Yeah. Even respectful stuff like, you know, videos with captions and so it’s accessible. But those kinds of issues that they they wouldn’t necessarily know about. So, they just need to create brilliant content and, I can wrap it up for them.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Awesome. Well, let’s talk marketing now. It’s a dirty word for some company. But, I I love it personally. I do it every day. And I would love to know how do you generate leads?

Imogen Allen:
Okay. I think I’ve gone up and down around houses with this, as we all do. And I think, basically, it’s not to spread yourself too too thinly. Yeah. Find out where your audience is. That’s not always that easy to know, but, I think I’ll try and do a bit of a mix for real live networking. Yeah. Social media helping and being helpful in groups and getting to know people.

Imogen Allen:
And sometimes even if it’s industry, the, you know, same industry that it’s it can lead to other non industry related relationships and so on as well. So it’s really important to have industry specific networking and outside of that as well, get to some live events. And I do I get out every month and I go to, a regular one that is just kind of a conglomerate of different businesses. Yeah. And, yeah, social media and just choose the platforms that work for you. Yeah. And like you’ve done recently, you’ve just sometimes you just need to test what’s working because it the platforms always change. So, yeah, it’s kind of being consistent really is key and just just doing different different ones and having conversations.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
For people listening or watching, I would definitely recommend going to live events, Industry live events, etcetera, are a very powerful way to it’s kind of like networking on steroids. I don’t know if you’ve had the same experience. But, I’ve I’ve never not won some jobs from going to an an event. Therefore, every single event I’ve ever been to, I have found suppliers, and I’ve always won business as well. So I tend to focus more on events and, like you said, the industry, networking, areas as well. So for anyone a lot of us are WordPress people. Be sure to get down to your WordPress meetups as well. They’re they’re

Imogen Allen:
a great place. Me.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
So I

Imogen Allen:
think saying that one one other thing. Sometimes if you your initial reaction might be say no to something, to an opportunity, actually, just I would pause and maybe say how it feels when you say yes because you never know where that takes you either.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Yeah. That’s good good advice. So how do you measure success? It’s a big question.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. I for me, I don’t think it’s figures as in, kind of a spreadsheet.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Good.

Imogen Allen:
I think it’s in terms of how I feel and the reason why I’m doing what I’m doing. And I did I think I lost sight of it. I think it’s hard when you’re starting out and you just seem to be putting all the hours in to make some traction and perhaps get some recurring revenue. Now I’ve got a bit of recurring revenue. I’ve been able to take a step back a little bit, put some boundaries in place, and have have a bit more of a because I I find it hard to switch off. We’ll come to that later, but it’s I think being able to be around for family and kids and, you know, if they’ve got stuff going on that I can be there at school Yeah. Saying things like that. I just have that flexibility.

Imogen Allen:
And that’s what I really want. But on the other hand, it goes it does mean that I might work at times that perhaps you wouldn’t normally. But it’s about really enjoying what you do, work and home, and that’s that’s what I’ve achieved.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
I I love there’s been a consistent theme so far. We’re only a few episodes into the series of Agency Life, and family has come up every single time. And I’m always astonished how we worry about the numbers. But when we’re asked, how do you really measure success? The natural response is time with the family. I have to keep reminding myself about that time with the family is that is the success. If I if I get a couple of hours with my family today, that’s freaking awesome. I’ve had a good day. And if I’ve helped and like you said, your mission, if if I’ve helped someone avoid overwhelm today, I’ve spent time with my family, this has been an amazing day.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Each day at a time, I I’m with you. Yeah. Definitely. Let me Obviously spoken like someone who’s not a millionaire, so, you know

Imogen Allen:
There is that.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
We must be So I I make myself feel better saying that.

Imogen Allen:
You’ve gotta have bread and jam on the table.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Please have that every Sunday. I hated it. So we were quite, you know, not not very we didn’t have much money. So it was bread and jam and, I was talking to, Paul Lacey just this morning. We had a chat on the phone. I was we were talking about how I had Golar trainers, which are now fashionable. Well, that’s annoying, isn’t it? Let’s do some confession. This is confession time.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
It’s just me and you and a few 1,000 listeners from around the world, so don’t worry. I would love to know in your agency, in your fledgling business over a year and a bit, with your chickens. Sorry to keep referencing them because I’m pretty sure I just heard a couple. Yeah. What is the biggest problem you have apart from being interrupted by chickens now?

Imogen Allen:
Do you know it is to see imposter syndrome? We can’t get away from that. I know you’ve put it’s already been said, but, yeah. And I think the thing is that actually putting it out there, and I I did, write a blog about that because it kept coming up in lots of conversations in the WordPress groups. And I think when you tell people that you feel like that, everyone goes, oh, I do too. And, actually, it’s okay. So you have to learn you have to find a way to embrace it. And it’s not always easy. And, you know, some weeks, I had a really bad week last week.

Imogen Allen:
And but you you find a way to pick yourself up and you kind of have conversations with people because that really helps. Yeah. And I think that WordPress beauty is good for that. Having those one to ones is just jumping on calls with somebody. Brilliant. Yeah. And and even if you don’t feel like it, yeah, you kinda have to push through sometimes and just actually ask for some help. Yeah.

Imogen Allen:
But, yeah, you kinda feel feel a fraud and all those things. And and, actually, what’s one of the podcasts I did for you before has had so much positive feedback because people have said, I felt like that as well, and it’s made them realize that they’re not on their own.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Absolutely.

Imogen Allen:
I I I think you just have to keep keep talking about that. It’s really important. That’s good for your mental health as well to to to get it out in the open and make you not feel that it’s just you.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
3 year 3 years into the podcast, I still cringe whenever I listen to myself, and think.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. Exactly. We are What do people think? Yeah. And worst critic, can’t we?

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Absolutely. Well, let’s talk about well-being. You you mentioned switching off, and this is something I definitely struggle with, which is why I’m asking. So many agency owners I wanna learn, and I’m sure everyone listening and watching wants to learn. So how do you personally switch off? And you did say you’re struggling with that. So what have you been experimenting with, therefore, to try and switch off?

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. Well, basically, I got to the point, really, after a couple of years, I was not switching off at all. And it was you know, my mood was grumpy, and I didn’t wanna be interrupted. And I needed to just you know, I knew it wasn’t good for me, but it was getting to the point where it was making me feel a little bit unhappy about everything. So I knew I had to do something. And, also, I think having a bit of recurring income, small maybe, has made a big difference in that. I now go to, the first thing I did was, I actually downloaded an app called Headspace Yeah. Which is to practice a bit of mindfulness.

Imogen Allen:
And it you could do it, you know, it tells you every day to do it and just have that detachment. And I just needed something physical to make me do it. I wasn’t gonna go and do it on my my own. And then the second thing I’ve done in the last couple of weeks is join a yoga class. And really, it’s not not necessarily so much from the physical benefit because I know we do sit a lot. Yeah. My number one priority was actually for my mental well-being rather than physical. So and I found an excellent class and it’s absolutely it just helps you get rid of stuff and actually calms the mind down because I think one of the issues that we have Is that we can’t switch off with our minds.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. And that really helps you let go. So I think you have to you have to make you have to decide what it is you’re gonna do, and you have to stick to it. Like, for example, I’ve paid in advance for the next month’s sessions. Yeah. That will make me go. Yeah. This is easy to Oh, I’m really yeah.

Imogen Allen:
Oh, I’m really busy. Can I not really afford to take an hour and a half off on a day in the week? Because my time’s really constrained with school run and so on. I think, oh, I can’t do that. I can’t spell that hour and a half. But, actually, that hour and a half of investing in myself means that I can feel better for the rest of the week. So I benefit and so does everyone else around me. So it it might only be a very small amount of time, but you need to do it. And you just need to be strict with yourself.

Imogen Allen:
That’s my advice. I’m being strict with myself. So

Lee Matthew Jackson:
No. I love it. And good news for you and for people watching and listening, in episode a 152, which is definitely in the future from now because I think this is probably episode 143. So in 9 episodes’ time, I interviewed Yael. She’s based in Israel, and she does a lot of yoga. And we actually talk for half of the episode all about yoga, Pilates, mindfulness, all sorts of techniques as well. So I’ve learned a lot from her, which has been awesome. So what I’ll do, Imogen, is I’ll pop that episode in the next week, up into the agency travelizer community as well so you can get, like, an early listen because she drops a whole load of good, books as well and people to follow that might be of interest to you because I’m going the same route as you is trying to, you know, work out what what are the benefits of things like yoga and Pilates.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Because there is the physical, but mainly as well is the kind of the men the mental the reset and everything. So

Imogen Allen:
So you get it all you get it all in one bundle with yoga, and it doesn’t have to be it’s not all about being bendy and and and kind

Lee Matthew Jackson:
of cold. Not just for old people because I’m sorry, but a lot of old people do it around here because we’re in an old village with a lot of old people in it. But, actually, it’s for everyone. Time.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. It’s for everybody. That.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
It’s for everyone.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Definitely recommend it. And, and I was always put off a bit with the mindfulness thing and and kind of but I found something that an approach that’s not fluffy that suits me. And everyone needs to find their their kind of what what makes what kind of, resonates with them and and and go with that. So yeah.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
When I was when I was young with the snapper, it was running. I used to run marathons and stuff like that, but nowadays, I’m looking for something far less intensive.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I look forward to that episode anyway.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Brilliant. Alright. Well, we’re now coming into land. It’s the last question. Is it the last question? We’ve asked oh, well, actually, we kinda got into health as well, didn’t we? Because you were supposed to be about switching off. Yeah. We normally would say, how do you stay healthy? I think you already covered that with the yoga, so that is mindfulness and your physical well-being, etcetera. So let’s go to the last question, which is name one tool that has been essential to your success so far and why? K.

Imogen Allen:
You might get excited about this one.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
I think I know what it is now.

Imogen Allen:
Dubsado.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Oh oh, no. I didn’t know what it was. Yes. Dubsado. Oh my gosh. Tell us about that.

Imogen Allen:
Yeah. Dubsado. I’ve got off to a slow start with Dubsado. I have to compare, and I’ve revisited it. I’ve been with them for quite some time now, and I and I wasn’t using it to the max. So over the last few months, I’ve really been looking at that. And I actually, done a lot more stuff with it and a lot more automation. And I think the biggest thing is time savings.

Imogen Allen:
I do all my proposals in there. Yeah. I have anything I need the clients to sign. I I can just get them to sign. Like, for example, I was doing some GDPR stuff, and it was just a document to say, this is what’s been covered. Signs say you’re happy, and it goes in there. And then it’s in their folder in their portal. Mhmm.

Imogen Allen:
And then, lead forms now are all on their website or links to the the lead forms. Yeah. And people feedback that they are impressed with that kind of onboarding, those initial contacts and having that responsiveness and being able to send an email response when their lead comes through the system and say, you know, look forward to resuming the info and having a look through. We’ll be in touch. And it’s I I just love the whole thing. Yeah. But I think you do have to spend time getting to know it and how it works. Yes.

Imogen Allen:
It’s consistently been the thing that because I obviously did my homework before the session today. And I was looking at what was really made a big difference consistently. But there are a couple of other tools which are great. But I think that’s made the most impact because it’s been able to let me develop things like proposals and and so on in there and just save that time when I get one because then I would just be using that and then tweaking it to that client’s needs. So, yeah, definitely, Dubsado.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
I wholeheartedly agree. It was actually you that helped encourage me to go for it because I’d heard from, Ariel, and she had mentioned that she used Dubsado. Yeah. And then I came to you and said, hey. Have you heard of this? I see you’re in the same group, and y’all, like, yeah. I’ve used it. Great. So I tried it out and for us as well.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
So the we’ve not really done much on the automation, but the onboarding is phenomenal. Mhmm. Sending out proposals, allowing people to select from different packages so they they can kind of tailor that proposal and then accept and then get it paid there and then is also amazingly phenomenal. Yeah. For the first time ever, we’ve used QuickBooks, and we integrate with QuickBooks, and that’s all fine. And our account is happy. They get everything. But because we can now do all of our invoicing and also track all of the payments really quickly and easily inside of Dubsado, for the first time, I’m actually getting a much, clearer view on how our financials are doing, what’s our pipeline looking like, what hasn’t been paid, who do I need to chase, which is really, really good.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
And, I would say anyone who’s looking at it, it’s very it it feels very beta.

Imogen Allen:
Yes. It does.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Yeah. But they are about to launch a new look for it, so I’m pretty excited about that. And I’ve been apprehensive as well because I kinda got used to the beta look. So, yeah.

Imogen Allen:
It is very beta look, and I I agree with that. And I think if you can get past that, I I I think the functionality is really great. And I do all my recurring invoices on them as well. So for, care plans. Yeah. And people then have the they paying it electronically just makes it so much easier. Use Stripe to facilitate payments. And and you’ve got that dashboard view with the financials, which at a glance as you log in, you can you can see that.

Imogen Allen:
So I have up my game with the solar in the last and and to be fair, it’s been since you’ve been using it as well because it you kinda spur off other people to think, right. Oh, yeah. Could use it in this way. Could use it in this way. But you do need to invest time to get it to work for you. That would be my

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Absolutely. I want

Imogen Allen:
kind of caveat on that.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
I can’t work out, though. I think I’m gonna have to sign up for a new account so that I can do videos on it because we’ve obviously got a lot of private information in us, and I wanna do videos on it. And I’m like, oh, I can’t. This has got all of our client details on it, and I’d have to spend hours blurring stuff out. So, we’re probably gonna go ahead and buy another account, put in some fake information so that we can actually show things going. So anyway, you’re a legend. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Thank you for the chickens to keeping the noise to a minimum. Absolutely. We greatly appreciate that. Do you

Imogen Allen:
name them? Yes.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Oh, man. Come on. What are the names?

Imogen Allen:
And then we’ll

Lee Matthew Jackson:
let you go.

Imogen Allen:
We’re okay. We have 7 at the moment. Right. Sage Yeah. And onion. Yeah. We have dazzle and snowflake of bright white. Yeah.

Imogen Allen:
We have speckle. It’s a speckled one. Yeah. We have Cleopatra.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Nice.

Imogen Allen:
He’s a lovely black one with him. Yeah. Looks like Cleopatra. And, we have Baldi.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Oh. You’re the dumb one. I kinda like Baldi. That’s a really big name.

Imogen Allen:
Goldi. Baldy.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Oh, I thought you said Baldy. I was like, yeah. I I know that how that feels. Alright. Well, finally then, how do people connect with you? And then we’ll she’ll bid you a due.

Imogen Allen:
Okay. I am on the huge group channels on social media, Facebook, Twitter. I’m on LinkedIn, and you can find me at umbrella of digital media dotco.uk.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Brilliant. And we will make sure we get all of those links in the notes as well. Fantastic. Thank you very much for your time, and have a great day.

Imogen Allen:
And you. Thank you. Bye bye.

Lee Matthew Jackson:
Bye bye.